Kingston Trio Live at Sands Point, New York Saturday August 28
From The Hey Baby Days, theories regarding the disappearance of the flowers as in “Where Have All the Flowers gone” ….. Long time passing … and the fate of Charlie of the MTA.
Did he ever return?
No he never returned
And his fate is still unlearn'd
He may ride forever
'neath the streets of Boston
He's the man who never returned.
The cold case of both the disappearance of the flowers as well as Charlie’s fate may now be solved thanks to new forensic technology... It appears that Maid Marion, pictured below was indeed “the flower girl,” not the junior bridesmaid at the wedding of Katherine Marbut and Leo Ullman 50 years ago. That cover-up was inadvertently revealed when a photo of the wedding was displayed at a 50th wedding anniversary party honoring Kay and Leo at Sands Point, New York.
Maid Marion poses next to the wedding party photo ( She was the flower girl in the wedding of Kay and Leo)
Incredibly the Kingston Trio may have themselves been involved in the twisted plot. As Rick Daughtery of the trio sang “Where Have all The Flowers Gone” to a festive audience of 200, he appeared to be looking directly at Marion, “the flower girl.” She pretended not to have any ideas regarding the disappearance of the flowers. She did converse (plot) with Rick prior to the Kingston Trio’s performance.
Maid Marion and Rick Daughtery of The Kingston Trio
Furthermore, it was reported that a vagabond flower merchant named Charlie had been hanging out near one of the nearby Guggenheim estates peddling roses and other flowers until he was run out of town via the Long Island railroad which miraculously connected with the MTA. (It’s easy to be creative when you’re making up a bunch of stuff)
Meanwhile back in Sands Point, Maid Marion wonders” “Where Have All My Flowers Gone?”
Did Charlie snatch the flower girl’s flowers just prior to that fabled ride starting in New York and ending beneath the streets of Boston?
The wedding too place in August of 1960. The Kingston Trion recorded Charlie & The MTA around that time. That's just too much of a coincidence.
Is Charlie's fate still unlearn’d ? Maybe not,chances are, he got off the train and started a worldwide floral service.
The Kingston Trio is still a great crowd pleaser. Nora and I were very happy to be a part of Leo and Kay’s wedding anniversary, sitting on the front row, no less! How many people can say that they had the Kingston Trio play for their wedding anniversary in their front lawn? It was great to be able to talk with Ric Daughtery of the Trio. Both Rick and Bill Zorn had great things to say about Atlanta’s Banks & Shane who have a great Kingston Trio Tribute show. Banks & Shane are also proficient in Beach Music as well.
Nora and I with our own back up back The Kingston Trio ( photo taken by an amateur photographer as I am really much thinner and our back up band is doing their pre concert sound check... no empty seats that night)
It's great to see the blog back up again. I hope you've started Vol. 2 of THE HEEEY BABY DAYS OF BEACH MUSIC and will include the wonderful info and pictures from the blog. I'm also curious to know if you plan to release any more CD's from the "hey baby days". I have all 17 and there isn't a song that I don't like. In fact I just finished listening to all 17 while I went on my morning beach jog the last two weeks. As I mentioned previously a long time ago, I grew up in Dothan, AL almost on the FL line and Panama City Beach, FL was where I hung out. I just started a FB site at www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=139624026066581&ref=mf (Romances & Memories of The Hang Out, Panama City Beach, FL, 1950's & 60's) and I am plugging your book and CD's. Of course the book is out of print, but it does pop up occasionally for sale as "used". (Glad I was able to get a "new" copy.) I just want everyone to know that the book exists. Check out my site. There is a guy who has joined who has many pictures of the old Hang Out and it has been fun to see them along with reading the "memories" that people post about this "magical" place. Of course, we did the PC bop - not the shag at The Hang Out.
It would be nice to hear back from you. I enjoyed the additions to the blog.
Thanks for your note. We have been a little slack slight in posting. Thanks for all your help in promoting the Hey Baby Days. We may be out of books but we are not out of memories.
I agree with your assessment of the complete 17 volume Hey Baby Days collection. Ripete Records did a masterful job putting it together and relating it to the material in the book.
P.S. Ann, Being from Dothan you should be aware of the following:
I am hoping to attend this one of a kind event that features some of the great writers from the Hey Baby Days. Among the writers and entertainers that will share the stage include: Buddy Buie, J.R. Cobb, Chips Moman, Bobby Emmons, Wayne Carson Wilbur Walton Jr. and others.
I would list the hits songs these writers are responsible for but I don’t have ALL day.
But did ever hear any of these these songs back in the Hey Baby Days ?
"Be Young, Be Foolish, Be Happy"
Hi Greg--Today, I talked with Joe Morris, original drummer for the Swingin' Medallions, about the guys in his group who might have been fraternity men in college. I played in a Fort Worth, TX band called The Gnats in '65-'66 and we were on stage with The Byrds, The Yardbirds and Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels in Dallas and Fort Worth shows before I had to take my commission in the Air Force. While in training in Panama City, FL I managed to hook up with a band called The Pagans in May-June of '66 and we were a local band which played at a Swingin' Medallions show. I actually talked to several of the Medallions backstage before the show started. Joe told some good stories and asked me if I had ever seen your book. He gave me the website but apparently there are no copies for sale. I do freelance sports and entertainment articles for national fraternity magazines and have a huge library of music publications. I saw that your book index on the website listed some Texas-based bands and have met some of the musicians such as Delbert McClinton. I have my own website www.jaylanghammer.com and hope there is a way to find a copy of your book sometime. Many thanks.
Fort Worth, TX
To: Jay Langhammer
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: Your Book
We presented a book last year to Delbert's buddy Bruce Channel. It was a lot of fun being up there near Nashville and seeing Bruce perform for the first time. All we have are store damaged copies , if you'd like to have one of those. Unfortunantly, we ran out of time and money before we could chronicle R&B/Beach Music in Texas. B.J. Thomas told a mutual friend that he wished we had included Texas. We did get a call one morning back a couple of years ago from someone who said that Delbert told 'em that he should get the book. The book is a "well kept secret" of which we are sort of proud.
By the way as it relates to members of the Swingin’ Medallions that were fraternity men, I am not sure about all the 80 plus members of the band over almost 50 years but one of the original members of the band, Brent Fortson, was a fellow brother in the bond of mine ( GAA Phi Delta Theta) at the University of Georgia. Go Dawgs!
From: Jay Langhammer
Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 6:46:03 PM
Subject: Re: Your Book
Hi Greg--Thanks for your reply. Interesting you mentioned Bruce. He played at my fraternity's formal in the spring of either 1962 or 1963. I saw a concert with Delbert, Bruce and Ray Sharpe (Linda Lou) six or seven years ago and finally met Delbert at the funeral viewing for Stephen Bruton last year. I was in a TCU band for about a year with Stephen's older brother, Sumter.
Greg, I would be interested in a copy of the book with the least amount of damage, if that's possible. If you'll send me a mailing address and who to make the check to (and for how much, including postage), I'll send a check or can give you a credit card.
Probably 15 years ago, I found a softcover book on rock bands of the Southwest and found my group, The Gnats, listed along with band member names and info on our one record. Just went looking for the book but couldn't put my hands on it. I bought it at a used book store for $5 of $10. I've never seen another copy. It was not nearly as nice as your book, just text no pictures. Today, I went to three bookstores, hoping to spot a copy of your book but no such luck.
Thanks again, Greg, and I look forward to hearing back from you.
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